Friday, May 05, 2006

Like Father, Like Son...

Police officers covering up a Kennedy with what appears to be a driving mistake? Perish the thought. I mean, it's not like there's any sort of family history with this sort of thing...

Oh well, at least Patrick didn't kill anybody...this time. And if you believe his 'prescription drugs made me disoriented' claim, then I've got some prime real estate in Florida that I'd love to sell to you...

UPDATE: paT asks, paT gets. Does the Boston Herald count as a legitimate source for you? I wonder if Sen. Kennedy the Jr. would have been driven home had he struck the police cruiser?


Patrick Armstrong said...

So, Drudge writes this - and links to Breitbart's webpage as the only source. BB cites himself repeatedly. All that in and of itself doesn't mean they're wrong, or just making this up, but it would just be nice to get a link to the actual press release, police report or a pdf of the thing, is all I'm sayin'. I don't like it when the NYT, WSJ or AJC cites 'sources close to the event,' and I don't give bloggers a pass on that either.

Not that it makes DUI OK or anything, but I wonder how many other Congressmen and Senators have gotten passes at a DUI. I wonder how many Democrats and Republicans are in that number, and how many are repeat offenders.

Third, how did the Drudge report and Breitbart respond to the Duke Lacrosse players' treatment by the media? Apples and oranges, to be sure, but I ask because a lot of conservative punditry thought the players had gotten a raw deal, and had been convicted in the media before the trial even began. I read a lot of conservative puditry complaining about how the left and the media loved to bring down 'priviliged white males.' I wonder what those same folks would have to say about this? I guess it's OK because this particular PWM is a Democrat.

Patrick Armstrong said...

Yup. So does MSNBC.

Though Ambien does have significant side effects that produce this sort of thing. Those are well documented, especially its affect on drivers.

Was the Rep acting foolishly? Undoubtedly. Was he under the influence of alcohol? Not necessarily. Is he getting a pass because he's a member of Congress or something else? I'd say it rests on the Capitol Police, and if taking Ambien can be considered DWI.

S.A.W.B. said...

It'll depend if they decide/are allowed to charge him with DUI/DWI. I don't know that a DWI charge would stick, however, he has admitted publicly that he was under the influence of prescription medication.

Phenergan, for what it's worth, is a painkiller. It's one of the few prescription painkillers that are opiate-free. I would imagine, however, that both the Phenergan and Ambien bottles have warnings against driving or operating machinery whilst under the influence of said drugs. I'm also unsure if taking both at once would be considered misuse/abuse. Perhaps someone with a more legally-inclined mind could enlighten the luddites among us?

VDOPM said...

You can be charged with driving under the influence if you take any substance that impairs judgement or, specifically in this case, your ability to operate machinery/automobiles.

The Ambien defense is a long time coming, especially after the show delineating the potential effects on Ambien like sleepwalking, talking, driving, etc...

It doesn't change the fact that he was still impaired, regardless of which substance caused said impairment.

Dante said...

Since we're comparing apples to oranges, I'll go ahead and throw out my own comparison:

"Like I said, the blogosphere's main contribution is to get thousands upon thousands of readers focusing their eyes on something, quickly and effectively, which will then force the MSM to pay attention to things that would otherwise go unnoticed." -Pat regarding Corey Maye (emphasis mine)

Sounds to me like that's exactly what Drudge and BB are accomplishing here. Any breaking story like this typically consists entirely of "sources close to the event." A press release would be utterly one-sided and a police report may or may not exist here. Sources close to the event is all anyone has to go on until some real reasearch can be done on the issue.

Drudge is an incredibly sensationalist site. He has successfully broken many a story. He's also screwed up plenty of times. It looks like this time around, there's at least some truth to the BB story he posted. Next time there may not be.

There's no real harm in speculating on a speculation. At worst case the parent speculation will be false. At any rate, Drudge is in the business of breaking news. Generally he relies on the MSM to fill in the details.

I don't care how many Congressmen and Senators have gotten passes in the past. If it takes this to get law enforcement to treat Congressmen like everyone else when it comes to life threatening driving, then that's fine by me. Anything that impairs your ability to drive can get you a DUI. That's pretty consistent across all state laws. Even Tylenol 3 can get you a DUI if the officer has reason to believe it's impairing your driving ability.

S.A.W.B. said...

A retraction/rephrasal -

Phenergan is not a painkiller. Phenergan is an anti-nausea medication. My bad, as my memory failed me as to what Phenergan does. Mepergam(sp?) is the opiate-free painkiller I was thinking of.

All other comments stand.

VDOPM said...

promethazine (proe METH a zeen)
Phenergan, Promethegan

What is the most important information I should know about Phenergan?
• Call your doctor immediately if you experience uncontrollable movements of your eyes, lips, tongue, face, arms, or legs. These could be early signs of dangerous side effects.
• Use caution when driving, operating machinery, or performing other hazardous activities. Phenergan may cause dizziness or drowsiness. If you experience dizziness or drowsiness, avoid these activities.
• Use alcohol cautiously. Alcohol may increase drowsiness and dizziness while you are taking Phenergan.

What is Phenergan?
• Phenergan is an antihistamine. It blocks the effects of the naturally occurring chemical histamine in your body.
• Phenergan is used to treat allergic symptoms and reactions such as itching, runny nose; sneezing; itchy, watery eyes; hives; and itchy skin rashes.
• Phenergan is also used to cause sedation (sleep), to assist in controlling postoperative pain, to control nausea and vomiting (especially after surgery), and to prevent motion sickness.
• Phenergan may also be used for purposes other than those listed in this medication guide.

S.A.W.B. said...

I'd have to say that this development leads me to think thought like this...but then, I'm the bad person here.

Wonder if there will be any clamor to investigate the Senator's medical records to see if he doctor shopped for his pills? Wonder if I'll get thin by Tuesday too...

dadvocate said...

Fatal car accidents, rape (remember William Kennedy Smith?), DUI (in most states the influence doesn't necessarily have to be alcohol.), what the heck? He's a Kennedy. He means well.

Patrick Armstrong said...

Bill Maher said something eerily similar, DADvocate.

His line went something like this: "This is a great leap forward for the Kennedy family; it was the first time one of them woke up from a blackout, and there wasn't anyone dead or raped on the floor of the next room."