Thursday, May 25, 2006

Open Thread

Go to the comments, and vent about whatever you like (or hate, which may be more appropriate). Keep it PG please, but be as snarky as you wanna be.


patsbrother said...

One thing that always pisses me off, whether it appears in a blog or springs from the mouth of a politician: those liberals in their coffee shops. This silliness is also frequently contained in our moderator's bizarre self-loathing for his years of residency outside of Blue Sky. Reasons this invokes my ire:

*The sheer number of Republicans that go to Joe's each day.

*The retired minister, the retired cop, and the caustic on-duty cop that meet there most mornings. Add the local bigwig and his satellite, the guy who responded to "Well, at least Roosevelt kept us from becoming Communist," with "Yeah, but he made us Socialists!", his wild eyes a-bugging.

*The campus ministry folks that meet there all the time.

*The big-headed Republican who called me and my conversation "bougeois".

*All the Starbuckses in Texas.

*The Reba MacIntyre song about passing up love in the mundane aspects of life, like the girl in the coffeeshop you pass EVERYDAY. (Implying that someone, somewhere, who likes Country visits coffee shops everyday. The existence of this apparently rare species seemingly has a preserve in Northeast Georgia, I have had so many sitings of them myself.)

*The conservative woman who teaches at a religious school, for whom Joe's is both the last and the first place she went both before and after her invasive knee surgery.

Whenever I hear that tripe about "those liberals in their coffee shops" I know the intent is to malign me and my ilk. But what about those that aren't politically like me, those whose views these commentators supposedly represent? They malign them too. And while I expect assholery, I get annoyed when they compound that with fluency in ignorant tripe. I happen to like and respect a good number of people who frequent coffee shops, and it pisses me off when they are dismissed as some kind of fringe element: they deserve better.

patsbrother said...

And now, a tangent involving the sheer number of Republicans that come through Jittery Joe's Five Points.

I was unable to fully enjoy the last two weeks of Election 2004 because I lived in Manhattan: the moment I mentioned Bush, teeth would bare, claws would come out: it really was disturbing. I couldn't bring myself to make any Bush jokes because it just felt mean. (I assume the phenomenon of Americans overseas finding themselves more pro-American foreign policy than ever share at least some roots.)

Then there are those outings into both suburban and rural areas of Georgia (and just churches in general) where there is a strong presumption of a Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy regarding not voting for Bush.

However, at Jittery Joe's Five Points I was able to openly mock each and every political candidate to those customers that backed them. Republican regular walks in, Bush quotes fly out my mouth; Democratic regular enters the store, wails of Dean and Kerry enter the air; older musician regulars from Liverpool show up, so does my anti-Beetle rhetoric. All this, and it wasn't mean. It was playful give and take. People joked back. They joked at each other about the general level of retardation of each other's chosen party and candidates. Politics was fun.

This is why I believe so many are in some way apathetic to the political process. Too many live or have lived in areas where independent thought, or, gasp!, reciprocative deprecation is simply not on the table as a viable interraction.

I think maybe both "political correctness" and the hint of mysticism among the strongly religious have both played into this. The idea that simple phrases can be inherently evil, and if you hear them you must enter "Be Shrill and Kill" mode.

patsbrother said...

I also strongly disapprove of "noone".

Dante said...

Anything? Then I'd like to take this opportunity to reopen old (and forcibly shut down) wounds to say that Ultimate [name removed for legal reasons] sucks.

petallic said...

As referenced on the other thread, I have the Dixie Chicks on my mind these days. I'm furious with the local country radio stations, not for refusing to play them, but for bad-mouthing them and generally failing to understand Natalie's point. More importantly, I'm furious with the country audience for failing to see their own biases. They seem to be completely clueless as to why they hate her so much, and more specifically why they hate women so much. I'll say it: if you don't support the Dixie Chicks, you don't support women.

Every morning this week and last week, I have listened to various country deejays disparage the Chicks, for one reason or another, but mostly for Natalie's mouth, and this is what pisses me off the most.


One of the fellows kept saying, "She just doesn't get it. She just doesn't get it. It's not that she said it; it's that she said it when and where she did."

Horseballs. It is exactly because she said it. I'm going to state this once and for all: this isn't a political issue - this is a sex issue. Women aren't supposed to have opinions that differ from mens'. This is the clearest case of sexism I have ever seen on a public scale in my own home country, and no one seems willing to call the radio stations on it. Years from now, these people are going to be mocked and feared in the same way we mock and fear the blacklisters in Hollywood's Red Scare. Banning actors for their political beliefs? That's crazy! What sort of monsters would do that? The same sort of monsters who would blacklist a musician for an off-the-cuff political remark that she had every right to make!

Call me a screaming feminist if you want, but I call 'em like I see 'em. We women are allowed to be as mouthy and cutesy-ballsy as we want until we DARE to disagree with the male status quo. If George Strait or Toby Keith or Kenny Chesney stood up and said, "I'm ashamed of my president," the country fans would scatch their heads, grunt a little bit, and decide, "Well, I don't like it, but a man's got a right to his opinion." But a woman doesn't. People respect Bruce Springsteen even more!

And let's be clear: this is not just men who are doing this. We women are just as much to blame! Women don't help matters with their frivolous chatter and habitual upspeak, making their opinions rather weak and suspect anyway. But when a woman decisively states her opinion, in a clear voice with a microphone, why does it cause this kind of uproar?

I understand that the Lindsey Lohans of the world have set the feminist movement back tremendously, but is this really the world in which we live? An artist can't have an opinion? The public is really this mind-numbingly blind to its own prejudices?

Egads, I hate.

Anonymous said...

Boor-d of Regents

Athens B-H article
Red And Black article
The Chronicle article

So let me get this straight: BoR wants students to graduate school sooner by fixing tuition rates in a state where a state program pays most students tuition. Come again?

Most UGA in-state students receive HOPE. They lock tuition for four years for new students. After four years from now, the tuition increases for those students who are still here after four years. So what? For students with HOPE at that time, HOPE would pay the difference unless they change HOPE regulations. So what exactly is the reason again for this move? Isn't HOPE in the midst of trying to balance its budget again? How exactly is this helping assure that students who are unaffected by this change graduate sooner?

To the average student, the change isn't a big deal, and is likely accepted with open arms. But really. The students who will be effected don't need any type of encouragement to graduate as it is. The only students will feel its effect are those who lose HOPE within four years. So how if they've lost HOPE anyways, does this help other than reducing their cost within those first four years? They are having to pay and that in itself should, in my estimate, be motivation to get out as soon as possible! Or maybe I'm actually using that gray mass in my head. Maybe it's because I was a more-than-four-years student myself, who worked my way through school, regardless of tuition, though I paid it myself. This change wouldn't have/couldn't have done anything to make me graduate sooner. So, really, what does price fixing for the first four years have to do with graduation rates? Nothing. Zilch. Nada.

"The move is somewhat of a gamble as it will force the state's 35 colleges and universities to depend more on state funding." But the state is currently CUTTING funding to the state institutions. So why should the BoR be promoting methods to make these institutions MORE DEPENDENT on the state funds? That is not a gamble; that's idiocy.

If tuition is cut, who is going to make up the difference in the money foregone? The state will likely NOT make up the total difference. Future students, students without HOPE, and the out-of-state students will help make up the difference. And of course, the taxpayers will, because even though funding may be cut now, that doesn't mean state funds won't be increased to make up the difference in the future, and that means more taxes.

Obviously the BoR thinks you "push a button" and, viola, all computer systems have accommodated the change, work together with no complications, and everything is smooth as silk (that quote was an actual quote regarding this topic from a sit-in session). Yeah, right. That's how it works.

And, to be fair, the concept isn't completely TERRIBLE. Will it have the effect they're hoping? Hell no. Does it help the student? Quite possibly. Is it worth the added administrative effort in system-wide? Not for Fall 2006. Is it being implemented to the maximum benefit for the colleges? A resounding "NO".

And most importantly, is this move worth the risk of creating budget deficits for the state institutions? I understand the change in likely from a bigwig politico out there who's niece or nephew, grandson or granddaughter is matriculating into one of these fine colleges but this will effect EVERY institution and all the students at those institutions. The short-term comfort of fixed tuition will not outweigh the future costs in taxes and diminished quality at the institutions. This move has already had a profound impact on the hiring process at some of the larger institutions. Jobs will be left filled to save money, and the quality of education will likely decrease as expected with any budget shortfall.

And there is more I could say on the matter: particularly about Sonny Perdue being in support of this, the administrative effort to make this conversion, the "we don't know what the increase after 4 years will be, it just will be increased" issue, and the UTTER LACK OF COMMUNICATION giving no warning that this idea was even going to be on the table.

Boo to the Board of Regents for surprising the schools like this, and Book to the BoR and Perdue for the future impact it will have on ALL schools and the taxpayers.

Dante said...

I was beginning to worry that I was agreeing with Patallic way too much lately but thankfully she's thrown out this nonsensical rant that's helped me to realize that there is still alot more that we disagree on.

Radio stations not airing music from a group that has caught the ire of their target audience equates to some sort of women's rights issue? How long did it take you to dig up that boogeyman (oops, I mean boogeyperson) to pin the blame on?

"If George Strait or Toby Keith or Kenny Chesney stood up and said, "I'm ashamed of my president," the country fans would scatch their heads, grunt a little bit, and decide, "Well, I don't like it, but a man's got a right to his opinion." But a woman doesn't."

Do you even have an example of anything like this happening within the country music scene? My guess is that you don't. Right now, country music and liberalsim don't mix and it's not like the Dixie Chicks didn't know this ahead of time.

petallic said...

Dante, it is a bit of a nonsensical rant, isn't it? Mm, still glad I can throw a strop when necessary.

Do I have any example of a male country musician having politically incorrect opinions that don't seem to harm him? Sho nuf do, darlin'.

#1. Toby Keith: sings a song called, "A little less talk and a lot more action": translated, that means, "You women talk too much. Shut up and screw me."

#2. Toby Keith: sings a song entitled, "I Wanna Talk about Me": translation: women talk too much.

#3. Toby Keith: sings a song entitled, "Beer for My Horses" that espouses such delightful activities as throwing a rope over an oak tree. Nothing like a song encouraging lynching to rally up for the forces!

#4. Toby Keith: sings a song celebrating our war with the line, "We lit up your world like the 4th of July" and "We'll put a boot up your ass, it's the American way." Great, we got furious when our enemies celebrated the deaths in 9/11, but we'll stoop to the same behavior by likening bombs to fireworks. Beauuuuuutiful.

#5. David Allan Coe.

#6. Trace Adkins: objectifying women with the ridiculously catchy and socially horrifying song, "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk." That song alone should be a crime.

#7. Willie Nelson: I adore the man, but his known attitude toward marijuana hasn't hurt his career one bit.

petallic said...

How long did it take you to dig up that boogeyman (oops, I mean boogeyperson) to pin the blame on?

Funny. Last week, I had a discussion with a student of mine who decided Lord of the Flies was sexist just because it didn't have any girls in it. I sat with her and explained that we women must be very careful about throwing around that accusation because people hear it too often and learn to dismiss it. I tried to convey to her the seriousness of the word, and that one should only make such an accusation when one feels strongly that such is the case. Consider the situation from all angles, and if you still feel discrimination has taken place, stick with it.

I didn't decide this willy-nilly, Dante. This has been brewing with me for several years now. But thanks for taking the time to seriously consider my opinion with thought and effort, instead of just dismissing it because it disagrees with yours.

dadvocate said...

Earl's revenge.

S.A.W.B. said...

#7. Willie Nelson: I adore the man, but his known attitude toward marijuana hasn't hurt his career one bit.

Actually, Willie going 'rock and roll' back in the 70s (wearing long hair, an earring, and smoking dope) effectively ended his career for a while. Ask anybody who was alive then, and followed country music.

That said, there's 3 kitchens missing Dixie Chicks right now where there could be pie-making going on right now...

/dim-witted tarts...

Dante said...

Q: "How long did it take you to dig up that boogeyman (oops, I mean boogeyperson) to pin the blame on?"

A: "I didn't decide this willy-nilly, Dante. This has been brewing with me for several years now."

So it took a while. I can understand. That's quite a stretch. I'm sure it took a lot of effort to come up with the connection and probably took quite a bit more effort to actually believe it.

If the ladies had expressed some strong-minded non-political opinion like "men are pigs", "we like dope smoking", etc, they probably wouldn't still be feeling reprecussions from their actions. But instead they expressed a political opinion that is very unpopular with their base and they did it while in a foreign country. If the red-headed stranger did the same thing, he'd find himself in the same country music purgatory.

patsbrother said...

When Mother Theresa died and all the networks were all spent talking pretty after deifing Princess Di, there were several "feminists" to espouse the following belief: Mother Theresa set women's rights back twenty-five years for asking the women of the world not to have abortions, but that if they did not want to raise their own children to send their newborns to her.

Codswallow, I say.

On the other side of the bar, if Lindsay Lohan wants to be a scrawny little substance-abuse waif and treat partying like a prerequisite, let her. She no more sets feminism back than Mother Theresa did. Just becuase a woman acts in a way you find reprehensible doesn't mean she sets womens rights back x number of years: it means she's exercised her choice. And feminism, far from the academic exercise it is regarded as nowadays, began as a means of gaining women equal treatment in law and in the workplace - as a means of giving women a greater breadth of choices than teacher, nurse, secretary, nun, housewife, or whore. Simply because one woman's or a group of women's choices are not what one would call 'pioneering' does not mean they are by any means anti-feminist.

An anti-feminist would be a woman who not only chooses to submit to her husband but maintains that such behavior is the proper role for all women.

Further, actually setting feminism back in some way makes the argument that person X somehow reduced the number of options available to women. So I would ask: how has Lindsay Lohan restricted your available choices, or anyone's? Simply glorifying a poor choice just doesn't cut it.

(You may think my definition of feminism and anti-feminism strange, as least in so far as I use Mother Theresa's position against abortion as an example. However, if you assume that an abortion is a crime such as murder, as Mother Theresa did, then a pro-life stance in no way conflicts with this definition, as the goal of feminism is certainly not to allow women the special privilege to commit crime.)

GP said...

Things that really grind my gears:

Petallic stole my thunder. I really hate anything that has to do with Trace Adkins and "Honky tonk badonka donk" I just broke into hives typing the words.

People who use the phrase "social justice" in an argument. It can mean almost anything to anyone. People who use that phrase are incapable of expressing clearly thought out ideas.

The general qualities of shallowness, entitlement, self-absorbtion, and laziness that typify my generation.

The Chistians with megaphones on the corner of College Ave. and Clayton St, who in an attempt to proselytize, end up berating and arguing with the drunks.

And finally, fat disgusting people at Wal-Mart. I nearly have a panic attack whenever I'm forced to shop there.

patsbrother said...
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patsbrother said...

Things I hate: typos you do not catch before posting. Example: deifing. Please add a "y".

Things I hate: making up words. See codswallow.

petallic said...

I'm sure it took a lot of effort to come up with the connection and probably took quite a bit more effort to actually believe it.

Unfortunately, you're right, Dante. I didn't want to believe it. My initial gut reaction when this scandal began was, "It's not sexism, Petallic. They just didn't understand their audience. They failed to understand the dynamic of their audience base."

Then I mulled on it, for three years. I have come to this conclusion painstakingly and with much self-reflection. Your response, however, only fuels my argument. Man, as in mankind, is intolerant. Is this really news? No, it's just tiresome, and in this case, apropos.

The Red-headed Stranger allegedly smoked dope on the roof of the White House. He still has a career. Perhaps it affected him in the 70's, but that's comparing apples to oranges. Different social climate.

Patsbrother, fair play. It is indeed all about choice.

dadvocate said...

I can't hold back anymore. BUT, "Goodbye Earl" is easily sexist. It stereotypes men as abusers and then justifies murdering them. You don't have to dig at all for that.

This other stuff is strictly political. And, I'm so pissed off I'm not buying any Dixie Chick CDs. But, of course, I've never bought a Dixie Chick CD or a Kenney Chesney CD or a Toby Keith CD or any other country CD other than Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, or Waylon Jennings.

President Bush's reactoin = "I'm still President and Natalie Maines is still fat."

Which brings up those fat people at WalMart. It seems two or more of them are always blocking an aisle somewhere. I always tempted to go up to them and say, "If you move to the left a little and turn your cart this way, you can block all the traffic in the store!"

Laddi said...

Something that gets me is not being able to edit comments on Blogger. Agrh!

petallic said...

Dadvocate, nowhere in the song "Goodbye Earl" does it imply that all men are spousal abusers. It tells the story of one man, Earl. Unless you are claiming that Earl is some "Everyman," then the song does nothing but tell one story.

And please, Dadv, the whole fat thing is so 6th grade. "What? You don't like my dolly? Well, well, you're fat!" This is why we have the Lindsey Lohans and Nicole Richies of the world. Besides, Natalie Maines weighs about 140. That's hardly fat.

Calling someone fat doesn't discredit them; it only makes you look childish.

GP said...

To clarify the fat people at Wal-Mart point, I agree that it is childish to call someone fat in person. However, describing someone as fat is perfectly OK, even with the negative connotations that go with it. The morbidly obese folks I see at Wal-Mart prove, by the very nature of their appearance, that they are incapable of managing their life responsibly. Morbidly obese people don't have enough respect for themselves to take care of their bodies, and when their large bodies block the aisle at WM, it annoys me.

petallic said...

The...folks I see at Wal-Mart prove, by the very nature of their appearance, that they are incapable of managing their life responsibly.

I would say the same thing about stick-thin girls, people who go to tanning beds, people who wear provocative clothing, people who've had breast implants, people who've had unnecessary facial plastic surgery, people who buy brand name clothes, people who drive sports cars or SUVs, people who are publicly drunk, women over forty in miniskirts, women with too much makeup, men over forty with women under twenty-five, blah blah blah.

Live and let live.

But then again, who cares what I say or think? After all, I'm fat.

dadvocate said...

P - Well, at least some of us have a sense of humor. I stole that line from a successful comedian, just can't remember which one.

You don't see any sexism in "Earl" but you do in DJ's not playing their songs. How strong is the tint in your glasses?

Any many cases all a woman has to do to get away with murdering her husband/boyfriend is yell, "Abuse!" In Kentucky, when Brereton Jones was a lameduck governor he released several comvicted murderers. All were women who claimed they were abused. One never claimed abuse until after she had been convicted. He husband was a Louisville policeman and she had hired a hit man to kill him. Hmmm. Sorry I can't provide any links but this was 10-12 years ago.

140! I was 6'2" before I weighed 140. Ever call someone skinny, string bean, or ask them if they had to walk around in the shower to get wet? I know it can be distasteful to make jokes about fat people or anyone but do you ever watch the comedy channel? There sure are lots of commercials on TV that denigrate men. But what if I tell a blonde joke?

I wonder if you're like my sister whom, after I cooked a ham (a real ham), baked home-made bread (I did use a breadmaker for the kneading), and a vegatable dish, drove 250 miles, and my son made pigs-in-a-blanket (no insult intended) in her presence in order to celebrate Thanksgiving with my parents and siblings, accused me of being sexist because I sat down on the couch instead of stood in the kitchen during a brief lull while the store-bought rolls someone else made were warming up in the oven. You see what you want to see.

I don't know who made you so angry but I'm sure it was someone way before me.

Patrick Armstrong said...

On sexism: I think, if we broke it down, I might be considered the most sexist guy who writes on this blog.

I mean, I hold doors for women, carry heavy things so they don't have to, compliment them based (usually) on outward appearances or accoutrements, and I don't hit them, even if they may deserve it.

I call them blatantly sexist things like honey, honeypie, baby, baby doll, sugar, sugarpie, sweetie, sweet mama, sexy, sexy mama, hottie, hotness, hot mama, hotpants, hottiepants, darlin, good lookin', smarty-pants, shorty, beautiful, boo, 'b,' bootielicious, pretty, prettybird, babybird, ladybird, luscious, delicious, your highness, queenie, boss-lady, sexy-britches, tight-pants, baby-mama, boxer, bubblehead, bubblebutt, noodlehead, noodledancer, silly, sillyhead, dirty, dirtygirl, partygirl, buttery biscuit goodness, and "my sweet little Persian devil."

I love it when they wear ho-boots.

I have been chased from buildings under threat of physical harm for strategic "women in the kitchen & make me some pie" comments.

They can talk all they want, I don't have to listen - I just have to appear to be listening (this is especially true during football season).

They don't have to know how to cook, but they must respect the food I cook for them or buy them.

I do all of this, and for some reason, they still love me and I still love them.

So, to relate this to the Dixie Chicks, I don't think sexism had a big deal with them getting pulled from radio stations. I think misplaced pride, hypersensitivity and ideological inconsistency did.

People project their beliefs onto other people they respect, listen to or watch. This is especially true for celebrities - which is why celebrities with opinions are so reviled. Not because of what those opinions are, but because they have opinions at all.

On the conservative side of the house, there is a great deal of pride in being an all-American conservative. Red State Power. They are a very large team thats only unifying force is the idea that they are under constant attack by the nanny-state, godless, Clintonian masses of people who disagree with them and want to take away their apple pie. They are very sensitive against those attacks, and want badly to keep their apple pie.

Europeans, hand-wringing liberals and college professors (people who criticize the President) are not on their team, country music singers and NASCAR drivers are (people who don't criticize the President).

Though the Dixie Chicks could be excused from going to Europe (maybe spread some apple pie to the godless heathens) they cannot be excused for making it known - to the European public, no less - that they didn't like the President. To the country music side of the house, that's strangely equivalent to Jane Fonda going to North Vietnam. It is absolute and public betrayal.

Why? Because criticism is an attack to many hypersensitve Americans (right and left), especially public criticism. This is because they already think they are under attack by some strange force trying to steal their apple pie.

While there is a will to make fun of Europeans who pull Mohammed cartoons from newspapers to avoid riots, there is a lionization of radio DJ's who pull Dixie Chicks songs because, in America, disagreement is worse than rioting (for the ideological inconsistency part). The squeaky wheels got the grease, and the Chicks were pulled from radio, just like we ended up serving "Freedom Fries" in the Capitol cafeteria.

Patrick Armstrong said...

On weight:

I know plenty of folks with a few extra pounds, but they carry themselves very well. They may want to tighten themselves up a little, but their self confidence and other talents make them very attractive despite what Cosmo says. They could get rid of that weight, if they wanted to, but they are fine just the way they are and see no need to devote their lives to their outward appearances. They make jokes like "my six pack is behind the bag of chips," and "this is my fuel tank for love, and baby, it is full."

I know this, because I am one of them, and my family gives me no end of hell about my extra pounds.

I don't think anyone here was talking about those people, because I don't think those people qualify as 'fat.'

I think the people who were refrenced here in a bad way are the folks who are unhappy with who they are and who deal with that by pounding super-sized meals at BK, order that extra plate of wings just for themselves, and wash it all down with 6 liters of coca-cola a day. In response to this caloric Shock & Awwwhh strategy, they then proceed to sit on the couch watching television for the next sixteen hours, only venture outside the house in search of more junk food.

Patrick Armstrong said...

On Coffee Shops:

I have never heard a great deal of conservative jackassery in a coffee shop. When conservatives go to coffee shops, they seem far more interested in coffee or dessert or studying.

I have, however, heard an astonishing amount of liberal jackassery in every single coffee shop I have visited. This jackassery is generally of the out-of-touch variety in which the world beyond the doors of the coffee establishment does not seem to exist.

Is it an oversimplification to claim that coffee shops & liberals are synonymous? Of course it is.

That still doesn't make it any less funny, especially when such a little thing invokes genuine ire from - anyone.

dadvocate said...

Rarely, do I joke about one's weight. I weigh 235 on a 6'3" frame. My daughter enjoys poking my stomach and telling me I'm fat. Since I was ridiculed so heavily as a kid for being skinny. I don't mind being a little heavy or being teased about it. I can still do 50 push ups non-stop, not bad for an old man.

One problem I find with today's society: we're all too damn sensitive. Maybe we should be teased about weight more often. It might help slow the obesity epidemic.

Coffee shops - we've had several in Maysville but they keep going out of business. Not enough liberals I guess. Actually, farmers and blue collar workers don't have time for such silliness and their aren't enougth professionals to keep them in business.

But there does seem to be an obsession with the "finer things in life" with liberals. My very liberal middle sister and her very liberal husband are always going to various restuarants, concerts, cultural events, etc. They used to be good ole boy and girl. I just don't get it. Most times, I'd rather mow my yard and work in the garden than go to one of the events they rave about.

Relax, fish, have some fun.

GP said...

My sincere apologies if I've been offensive. That was not my intention. I just feel that people who are morbidly obese and shuffle along the aisles of WM buying cases of Pepsi and Cheetos just aren't living life. They should be thankfull for the time they have on earth and yet they squander their precious time with their choices.

Dante said...

To backup what Pat had to say regarding coffee houses, they recently opened a Starbucks in Commerce, GA. Yes, Commerce, known primarily for its outlet malls and drag racing, has it's very own Starbucks. I was utterly shocked to see us get one. What was even more shocking was how they rushed the completion so that they would be open in time for the big yearly NHRA drag racing event. Somehow, Starbucks wouldn't seem to be their coffee of choice but it was crowded on race weekend and has been crowded ever since. That being said, I've never seen the tables inside more than about 1/4 full and that was on a busy Saturday. Liberals and conservatives are both susceptable to paying too much for coffee. However, conservatives don't usually hang around an soak up the atmosphere.

As far as weight goes, you're either fat or you're not. There aren't many people in this country who couldn't do something about that if they tried and I don't see many folks making fun of the ones who really can't help it. Most people make fun of the ones who use the electric cart because they can't walk from one end of Wal-Mart to the other anymore and stuff that eletic cart to the gills with sodas, chips, and ho-hos. Or they'll make fun of the fat girl at the wedding who is trying to eat an entire layer of the wedding cake by herself. Or they'll make fun of the fat guy who drinks so much beer that his belly has an imprint from his belt buckle.

To make a long story short, if you don't like being called fat, lose the weight.

And just to clear up something all the way back at the top, there are actually a lot of liberals in Texas but liberalism is a very different beast over there. Big government to them is Texas government. They'd rather implement social policy at the state level.

ruby booth said...

Things that irritate the tar out of me:
(in no particular order)

Yankees who say dumb shit about the South.


Customers who tell me I forgot to put “The” in front of a title. (I work in a bookstore.)

Ignorant, but pretentious, snobs who use "whom" exclusively, as though the word "who" didn't exist.

People who call themselves feminists, but who -- rather than striving towards the very real and necessary goals of equal pay for equal work, fair representation in various mediums, the right to self-determination, and equal access to the machinery of capital and government -- instead simply want a free pass to call men stupid and childish, behave badly and abusively towards the men in their lives, and to still never have to pick up the check or move the damn sofa. I’m a feminist myself, an opponent of genuine oppression and exploitation as everyone should be, and as such that crap really gets on my nerves.

Democrats who think we can win without the South.

Republicans who gloat.

People who say “You don’t sound Southern,” as though I’m gonna take it as a compliment that they couldn’t tell. Subtext being: You sure don’t seem like you’re from the hick-filled backwoods of Georgia or Tennessee, where no one has any teeth, and everybody votes Republican.
A corollary to that: Southerners who ask, “Where are you from?” then don’t believe me when I say, ”Here.”

People who think they're too famous/rich/busy/whatever to be polite -- or at least civil.

People who think chicks don’t play video games. A good friend, who is a beautiful blonde woman, kicks all the butt at an online game called Dark Age of Camelot. It took her literally years before most people stopped accusing her of really being a man. Voice chat has now convinced most, but not all.
In the same vein: people who think everyone playing online video games lives in their mom’s basement and has no life. These games are so popular now, if you throw a shoe you’ll hit a gamer, but even gamers themselves keep trotting out that tired cliché. I’m not saying that there aren’t a lot of tubby guys at mom’s house and pimply teenagers too, but it’s a far cry from anti-social at this point.

Anyone, in any profession or context, who purports that “there are two sides to every story” as though that means the facts of any issue are somehow ineffable, when really they’re just too damned lazy to do their homework. I mean, yes, there are often two sides to complicated, subjective issues – sometimes even more than two, heaven forefend – but it doesn’t mean that one opinion is just as good as another. The empirically knowable fact of the matter is: some people are just wrong.

nikka said...

Things that bother me:

People who say “did you know you have an accent?” Why, no, in 29 years on this Earth, I have not heard myself speak or had anyone mention it before.

People who inform me I’m British, or Russian, based on the aforementioned accent.

Fictional characters who are supposed to be southern, but who refer to a single person as “y’all.” Also, anyone who doesn’t recognize “y’all” as the finest second person plural in the English language.

People who suggest that I should paint a water chestnut that looks like a water chestnut as though that’s the highest achievement in art. Tell you what, if you want a perfect rendition of a tuber – take a photograph.
Similarly, anyone who asks me to paint/sculpt dragons, cats, or little babies. Or who asks me if I like Thomas Kinkade.

Commercials that are so loud you can hear them from the front yard. Also, drug commercials that don’t say what they’re for.

Nancy Grace.

Product placement in movies. As in...our hero successfully rappelled down the giant MacDonald’s billboard, snuck past the guards drinking Red Bull, and has crawled his way through the ductwork into the enemy’s secret compound, now he will pull out his trusty Mac/Razor phone/Gillette shaving cream can and hold it up for our viewing pleasure. If I wanted to watch a bunch of commercials, I’d have stayed home and watched network TV.

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petallic said...

You don't see any sexism in "Earl" but you do in DJ's not playing their songs. How strong is the tint in your glasses?
If you'll look back at my opening post, you'll notice I said I wasn't angry about them not playing their music. As a radio station, they have every right to do that.

And again, Earl is only sexist if you see Earl as some sort of "Everyman." Do you see him that way? I don't. If you do, then you're sexist, not me. Not all men abuse, dear. It's a story about one man, not every man.

Any many cases all a woman has to do to get away with murdering her husband/boyfriend is yell, "Abuse!"
I never disagreed with this. My own aunt shot her husband and killed him, claiming she was cleaning the gun AND that he was abusive. She was acquitted, and neither of her statements were true. I rarely spoke to her during her life, and my opinion of her is low. My mother still speaks well of her dead ex-brother-in-law, and he's been dead nigh on thirty years.

Tell all the blonde, skinny, or fat jokes you want. You weren't joking about fat people in general. You were using her weight as a means to discredit her. That's different.

No, your sister and I would disagree on that situation. You were very gracious to do all of the aforementioned. Again, as I've said, I don't throw around the word sexist unless I mean it.

Am I angry? Sometimes. That just means my eyes are open, my friend. All one has to do to be angry is look around (not to mention that Pat, in the opening post, said for us to be as snarky as we want to be). I'm also an extremely happy person, but I guess to you I'm just some wounded bitter woman who must've been hurt by some man somewhere. Sad that this is your immediate inference.

Dante, I've never been called fat in my entire life, despite the accuracy of the statement. Luckily for me, I guess, I steer clear of the type of people who would so openly judge.

Look, I do understand being annoyed with obese people at Wal-Mart. I get pretty disgusted myself. Especially after two weeks in Europe last month, coming back here to the ridiculous number of overweight people was unnerving, even to me. It's completely fair to say it annoys you or disturbs you. It is not fair, however, to use weight as a means of discrediting someone. A person is not any less reputable just because she weighs 140 instead of 105.

The saddest part of this whole scenario is that even the good men don't see it for what it is.

A few months back, I was accosted at Cracker Barrel after dining with my family by a man who had seen my bumper sticker and been particularly offended. My bumper sticker said, "Another Christian Against Bush." This man was furiously shaking during the encounter and seemed even more unglued by my calmness. He demanded to know how I could call myself a member of the brethren of Christ and be against Bush. He was almost on the verge of tears asking me if I supported abortion and how I could stand against our troops. In my most soothing teacher voice, I used every conflict resolution skill in my bag of tricks to calm him down and assure him that I understood his anger, but that he and I simply disagreed on ideologies. I could tell that this was a good family man, a decent human being, simply overcome by his emotions. In a strange twist of circumstance, I looked away from the man and saw my 2nd cousin, who is 13, standing nearby waiting for him. She was eating out with a friend, and this man was her friend's father.

When decent men don't see the error of their ways, it frightens me. I don't think these radio deejays are bad men; I've been listening to them for years. For that reason, their anger and prejudice bother me even more.

petallic said...

Ooh, and to throw another one out there.

I hate when people correct my grammar, and then say things like, "And you're an English teacher!"

Please. Just because I teach English for a living does not mean I am a pedantic nit. It's called poetic license: I can use all the "ain'ts" and "y'alls" I want; I can say, "Me and my mama" 'til the cows come home. I know plenty of doctors who smoke and attorneys who twist the law. It's called choice, you idiots.

(Yes, PB, I'm glaring in your direction.)

dadvocate said...

Petallic - I was simply trying to make a joke, albeit unappreciated, regarding Maines. I really don't care what she or Toby Keith or George Clooney or any other celebrity says. They're generally uneducated and have the big head because they made a lot of money. I'm pretty much stuck on old school music anyway.

I'm glad you're not like my sister.

I actually teach my kids not to make deprecating remarks about others, fat, skinny or otherwise. But I realize they, and all kids, do when I'm not around. I just hope they don't show real biases against others due to some sort of physical attribute. My kids receive their share of this themselves.

Interesting and too bad about your aunt. There is a culture that supports such actions. NOW jumps to the aid of almost any woman ni a publicized case where she kills her husband. The woman in Kentucky who orchestrated the release of the convicted murderers won the American Association of University Women Woman of the Year Award. Makes me sick.

"Goodbye Earl" reinforces and supports this kind of mind set. Was "Uncle Tom's Cabin" a book just about a few slaves, etc? Even if the man is abusive, the death penalty is not called for. Having worked in chidren's mental health in the past, I worked with one girl who had shot her father in the head while he was sleeping. Seeing as he raped, beat and otherwise abused his daughter, wife, sons, etc. and these incidents had been reported but no significant action taken by authorities (word was that the sheriff in the little mountain county was afraid of him) I think he deserved it. But we don't need to endorse and popularize this approach.

I can't understand the guy at Cracker Barrel. Plenty of Christians are against Bush. So what? I'm not especially for him.

As long as I can understand what you're writing, I don't care about your grammar. I ain't got no good English either.

dadvocate said...

Just say this: Top 50 Conservative Songs. No Dixie Chicks. I am disappointed that Steppenwolf's "Monster" isn't on the list.

petallic said...

Dadv, I can understand not wanting to popularize or glorify vigilantism (which is why I take umbrage with Toby Keith and Willie Nelson's song about lynching); however, I understand the desire for justice.

I just don't see that song as any different from Garth Brooks's song, "Papa Loved Mama" about a man killing his wife after catching her in bed with another man. Crimes of passion make for good stories because people can relate to them.

Was Martina McBride's Independence Day sexist as well?

dadvocate said...

Petallic - I was barely kidding when I said I don't listen to any country music other than Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson or Waylon Jennings. While I may have heard Garth Brooks' and Martina McBride's songs in passing I don't remember. I think we both have points with some validity.

I do remember "The Night The Lights Went Out in Georgia" and like it. I've never heard "Goodbye Earl" sung. Probably what bothers me more is the "Earl's in the trunk" bumper stickers. But on the other hand there's the "I still miss my ex, but my aims getting better."

Like I said before, we're all too sensitive. Let's laugh this one off. Heck, if I'd caught a guy with my wife (when I was still married), I'd divorced her and sent them on their way. Sooner or later, he'd wish I had shot him. :-)

But I still don't see anything sexist about not playing the Dixie Chicks music. Political, yes. Sinead O'Connor's career went down the tubes when she ripped the picture of the Pope on Saturday Night Live. Some celebrities get the big head, do something stupid, and pay the consequences. The war in Iraq is unpopular enough that Maines' comments, it appears, won't negatively impact their album sales much, if at all.

Personally, I'm at a point in my life that when I watch TV or a movie, or listen to music, I want to be entertained, not lectured to. If I want an editorial, I'll read an op-ed column in a blog, newspaper or magazine.