Sunday, June 01, 2008

Half the Vote

Lot of protesting today. And I'm about to say some things that are going to get me in trouble down the line. Because I can't stand protesters when I agree with them (SAWB can vouch for me). But what really gets me are protesters who drive me to feel contempt.

"Count Every Vote," and all that. "What do we want? Democracy! When do we want it? Now!"

Yeah, right. How about this one: "What do you need? A Calendar! When did you need it? A couple months back, when you didn't look like a bunch of spoiled brats on C-SPAN!"

I dare these same people to show up to their voting precincts on the Tuesday after the first Monday in October to cast their ballot for President. See if that vote counts. Then they can go complain to the US government about it. Betcha no one will give an inch.

Yes, you live in a democracy, but that doesn't mean you don't have to follow rules, knuckleheads. Here's some real simple, common sense things: The sun will rise tomorrow in the East. If you jump into water, you will get wet. If you poo somewhere other than in a recommended receptacle, you've made a mess.

There are rules we have about voting in this country, for good or ill. And, if you vote in the wrong way, or during the wrong time or on the wrong day when you know that vote does not count, don't complain about it to me at some later date because NOW you want to particpate. Should have been thinking about that some time ago.

And one last thing: don't DARE come to the national party or complain about any candidate. You don't like it, talk to your damn state party leadership because this is their screw up, no one else's.

And, taking one for the team, G-Bitch liveblogged the "proceedings".


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6 comments:

Leigh C. said...

Amen, says this Jewish gal.

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S.A.W.B. said...

Psst. paT. We live in a representative republic, not a democracy. This is why political protesters regarding 'vote counting' are always hilariously wrong.

Regarding the story, meh. Serves every last one of these idiots right for breaking the rules to begin with. Personally, I think the DNC, or at least the state level parties, should be forced to foot the bill for a do-over balloting. But, since that'll never happen, wake me up next month when you guys have your little backroom shindig.

Dante said...

Too bad Florida and Michigan didn't use butterfly ballots for these primaries. That would double the irony.

Dante said...

I also like the Limbaugh take on things: Florida and Michigan delegates should each get 3/5 a vote.

Cousin Pat from Georgia said...

Even though we live in a representative republic as opposed to a democracy, counting the votes accurately to determine who represents us is quite important.

As far as the Democrats are concerned, we have a far more democratic system where delegates are selected (in most states) based on percentages of the vote recieved. We pad our representative republic quota by having 'superdelegates,' which are only important when the popular votes are so close.

The Republicans have a far more representative system with so many "winner take all" models.

Most of the conerns would be moot if this was for the GOP, as Hillary would have already locked up the nomination by squeaking out so many wins. But that would have ignored the overall popular vote numbers Obama has garnered, even in contests Hillary won.

So while you are semantically correct, we still democratically elect our representatives for our republic. Which is why people want their vote to count.

But you have to show up to the polls on the right day to participate in democratically electing representatives to represent you in our republic.

Dante said...

"But you have to show up to the polls on the right day to participate in democratically electing representatives to represent you in our republic."

To leave the snarky remarks aside for a moment, if I'm a Florida or Michigan voter, when exactly is right day to show up at the polls to have my vote count? Oh that's right, there isn't one. For a process that's supposed to democratically elect a Presidential candidate for the party, the party took a rather representative view of the situation by punishing the voters of those two states for the iniquities of their respective state parties. That isn't democracy. I imagine the average voter in Florida and Michigan would've been perfectly happy waiting until later in exchange for having an actual say in who is going to represent their party in the Presidential election but we won't know because the voters of Michigan and Florida never got the opportunity to find out.

"I dare these same people to show up to their voting precincts on the Tuesday after the first Monday in October to cast their ballot for President."

And I dare you to find one of those protesters who actively supported moving up the primary calendar for Michigan and Florida in the first place. They're not the same people, Pat. You can paint it however you want, but those voters got screwed and I don't blame them for complaining about it one bit to the national party. After all, the national party is ultimately responsible for selecting the Presidential candidate. If your immediate supervisor screws you over, you complain to their boss. And that's what is being done here.