Friday, August 07, 2009

Astroturf & Arrests

You know what? I don't care if these town hall shenanigans are "real" shenanigans or "fake" shenanigans. Screaming at other people and getting crazy like this is a bunch of bullshit. You know how I know that?

A Harvard professor recently became agitated in his own home. He started screaming when confronted by police, and got a little "disorderly." The police then arrested him. You may have heard about this little incident.

So why are all these people, who thought that arrest was legitimate, now defending even worse behavior?

Explain that to me.


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9 comments:

Mr. Clio said...

Well said. Extremely well said.

Civility is a lost virtue.

Dante said...

That's almost as much bullshit as a former community organizer telling us who should and should not be talking right now.

Besides, protesting domestic government decisions has always been viewed as patriotic in our country. Military action didn't spark our independence. Avoiding taxes did. Hypocritical or not, it's going to get a lot more sympathy than mouthing off to a cop.

Cousin Pat from Georgia said...

"protesting domestic government decisions has always been viewed as patriotic"

I guess that doesn't go for all the folks who disagreed or protested the Bush administration. I distinctly heard a lot of the pundits now lauding this "movement" decrying past protests as "hating America."

I have to think that if they had not used those words, the discourse right now wouldn't have the stink of mania on it.

If you think this is bullshit, you ought to look up the definition of the charge "disorderly conduct."

And this behavior is getting exactly zero sympathy from me.

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Dante said...

"I guess that doesn't go for all the folks who disagreed or protested the Bush administration. I distinctly heard a lot of the pundits now lauding this "movement" decrying past protests as "hating America.""

No, because Bush did a good job of casting issues with domestic policy implications like the Patriot Act as national defense policy. If the British could've done as good a job convincing Americans that their taxes are vital to national defense (which indeed they were), we may still be a colony.

"And this behavior is getting exactly zero sympathy from me."

I think we caught onto hat already. I do find it interesting though that the Gates situation does spark sympathy from you. From your own line of reasoning, you have a pretty hypocritical view of these two issues.

Cousin Pat from Georgia said...

Orly? I'm pretty sure what I said about the Gates thing was:

"Everyone needs to step back, take a deep breath and be a little less defensive. And all the talk shows and talking heads manufacturing some sort of false outrage to boost their show's ratings needs to shut it."

Then we got into the tangential discussions of Gates' having his blood up and how that still wasn't an excuse. And, that it isn't illegal to act like a jerk, but it is a very, very bad idea.

These screaming & shoving people at town halls are showing up with their blood up, too. And, unlike Gates, they are coming much closer to "disorderly conduct" and "inciting a riot" than anything Gates did in his own home.

Dante said...

So shouting at police officers does not equal starting a riot but shouting at politicians does? Interesting...

Cousin Pat from Georgia said...

In a word: No.

You can't have a one-person-riot. And I'm not saying the screaming & shoving people are "rioting," but they are coming a lot closer to "disorderly conduct" and "incitement" than Gates did.

And depending on the words shouted, both can be protected as "political speech" under the 1st amendment.

No one is saying they cannot express their opinions. Make signs, ask questions, boo things you don't like. Protest is patriotic.

That being said, the 1st Amendment extends to those who, and here is the operative term, peaceably assemble.

If these screamers put the "peace" back in "peaceably assemble," I'll have NO PROBLEM with their behavior.

DADvocate said...

Protests used to be patriotic and has Nancy Pelosi (and others) forgotten the Bush years?

I just heard Stephen Hayes of The Weekly Standard say on Fox News that the Democrats have led the press around like "puppies" on the town hall disturbance issues. Pretty accurate description to me.