Wednesday, November 25, 2009

Um, whoops...

Yeah, about those carbon offset credits that the ManBearPig-In-Chief has been pandering at you to buy? Yeah, you might want to hold off on that purchase.

Seems a hacker got into the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit computers, and uploaded over 1000 incriminating files documenting that climate 'scientists' have been manipulating and hiding data that is counter to the 'global warming crisis' that OwlGore and others have been fueling their Gulfstreams on.

I'm sure that the MBP-I-C will have a perfectly reasonable explanation for all this, just as soon as we can figure out which country without an extradition treaty with the US he's hiding in...


rcs said...

Actually, aside from revealing sometimes unpleasant aspects of the scientific review process and interactions within the GW research community, nothing I've seen in the emails so far does anything to weaken the scientific findings of global warming research. Accusations of data tampering seem to be largely based on inaccurate readings of cherry-picked quotes (often ignoring the context in which the statements were made.)

RealClimate has been addressing the actual meaning of many of the 'gotcha' quotes here and here (be sure to read the extensive comments.)

S.A.W.B. said...

would this be the same RealClimate mentioned here in the RCP article?

This scandal goes beyond scientific journals and into other media used to promote the global warming dogma. For example, has been billed as an objective website at which global warming activists and skeptics can engage in an impartial debate. But in the CRU e-mails, the global warming establishment boasts that RealClimate is in their pocket.

I wanted you guys to know that you're free to use RC in any way you think would be helpful. Gavin and I are going to be careful about what comments we screen through.... We can hold comments up in the queue and contact you about whether or not you think they should be screened through or not, and if so, any comments you'd like us to include.

[T]hink of RC as a resource that is at your disposal.... We'll use our best discretion to make sure the skeptics don't get to use the RC comments as a megaphone.

link to said email

DADvocate said...

I'm sure RealClimate is interested in an objective evaluation of ClimateGate. Not!

rcs said...

That email pertained to ONE post and it looks to me like they were trying to facilitate a substantive discussion of issues covered in the Osborne and Briffa paper, without it degenerating into a series of unscientific accusations from the denial community. Glancing over the post in question, I'd say they succeeded.

Again: how does this weaken the science?

DADvocate said...

how does this weaken the science?

Obviously your minded in closed and no amount of evidence will open int.

Cousin Pat from Georgia said...

I'm no scientist, but I've been reading about global warming and climate change since I was in middle school. Those scientists seemed quite convinced, and quite convincing. And, having lived on the coast for most of my life, I've seen sea level rise first hand.

I got to listen to a lot of talk radio over the break, and the folks really promoting this "Climategate" narrative were the same talk radio and internet folks who sold us the Iraq-weapons-of-mass destruction line, and are convinced that ACORN is the greatest threat to American democracy.

So, you'll have to pardon me that I don't get too excited about this rather lackluster "smoking gun" batch of contextual emails that somehow disproves all the climate news I've learned in my life thus far.

Dante said...

"I got to listen to a lot of talk radio over the break, and the folks really promoting this "Climategate" narrative were the same talk radio and internet folks who sold us the Iraq-weapons-of-mass destruction line, and are convinced that ACORN is the greatest threat to American democracy."

And the scientists who are touting global warming are the same group who were telling us we were headed for another ice age when I was a kid. Don't buy your own spin. Both sides of the aisle on this debate have burned up more than enough trust to go around.

Cousin Pat from Georgia said...

Some scientists may have predicted an Ice Age. Others predicted warming. Still more decided to spin some numbers when making a report.

That's the strength of having a lot of scientists around the world running tests and tests and engaging in research and peer review.

If one small group loses credibility due to shenanigans or incredibly incorrect predictions, it does not reduce the credibility of the entire body of work worldwide, because it is usually the scientists themselves who disprove the work of other scientists. That's generally how science works. That's where their overall credibility comes from.

If only Rush Limbaugh would fact check Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck, I might extend them a little bit more credibility.

However, the talk radio & right wing bloggers giving this meme legs are the exact same individuals who have been so spectacularly wrong on so many issues in the last decade.

You've heard the story of the boy who cried wolf, right?

Their wrongness then was based on either their politics or their interest in selling advertising - and promoting "Climategate" now does both very, very well.

So pardon me if I continue to extend the scientific community far more credibility than I give to the partisan entertainment industry.