Tuesday, January 04, 2011

The Third Front

Hey, I know what will get us out of these economic doldrums, fix the deficit and keep Comrade Obama out of office in 2012 - LET'S GO TO WAR WITH IRAN!

After all...

We are in the best shape we will ever be in to deal with attempted Iranian retaliation for our part in assisting an Israeli strike. Our posture to disrupt and protect against terrorist attacks at home and abroad has never been stronger
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The United States outflanks Iran in both Iraq and Afghanistan


These are the same people who claimed we would be welcomed as liberators, find the hidden WMD's in Iraq who have strategized our nation into two wars against 4th or 5th rate powers that have continued for nearly a decade.

War with Iran would be a disaster for the United States of America.

(HT: the Daily Dish, busy fighting the next war instead of refighting the last one.

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4 comments:

Dante said...

"These are the same people who claimed we would be welcomed as liberators, find the hidden WMD's in Iraq who have strategized our nation into two wars against 4th or 5th rate powers that have continued for nearly a decade."

First of all, there's no "these" here. This is just one person's opinion. Second, the opinion comes from one Col. Gary Anderson. He's a defense contractor who basically plays war games with the Pentagon for a living. I don't remember him being anything but ambivalent towards whether or not we should go into Iraq and whether or not we'd find WMDs there. What I do specifically remember about Anderson (other than he shares a name with the former Vikings place-kicker who muffed what should've been the winning kick in the 1998 NFC Championship game) is that he was one of the few people who didn't buy that we'd be seen as liberators at all. It was his opinion based on the war games they played that there would be a huge insurgency issue and that the US would be in Iraq for a long, long time.

I don't agree with a lot of his views and I specifically disagree with him here. However, he is not the droid you're looking for. But hey, facts don't matter when your building a narrative...

Cousin Pat from Georgia said...

Please. Anyone who thinks we should, right now, go to war with the Islamic Republic is drinking the same kool-aid as the "liberators" folks. Anyone who thinks and tries to sell this prospective and disasterous misadventure to the American people is actively engaged in the same denial of reality. It is Iraq all over again.

The Third Front idea does not just belong to this guy, either. These folks - and yes, there is a group of them - have been banging the war drum for a long, long time. So long, in fact, I am tempted to wonder that our invasions of Afganistan and Iraq weren't just botched attempts to stage forces and provoke war with the Islamic Republic in the first place.

You want to talk narratives? Maybe he did predict a huge insurgency, counter to the prevailing and oversaturated narrative of the Iraq war. Good on him. I wonder how many people questioned his patriotism at the time, as they did to so many others who said the same things.

But NOW after watching that narrative fall flat on its face, he wants to team up with the authors of that narrative to sell a war with Iran? Look at the quote I pulled. Tell me that statement isn't as gilded as the "liberators" prediction.

We are not in the best shape to deal with Iranian retaliation, especially if retaliation begins coming from somewhere other than Iran.

And I can't even fathom the idea that our troops in Iraq and Afganistan, hemmed in by insurgents on all sides, are available to "outflank" the Iranians.

Dante said...

"Please. Anyone who thinks we should, right now, go to war with the Islamic Republic is drinking the same kool-aid as the "liberators" folks."

No, Kool-Aid comes in all variety of flavors. Anderson's particular flavor seems to be This-is-All-a-Big-Game-of-Risk which is entirely different than the American-Dad-as-a-Documentary that most of his colleagues enjoy.

I imagine that Anderson is right in that we can knock Iran on its ass the same way we knocked Iraq on its ass, but then what? He doesn't really talk about it and I imagine it's because he sees nothing wrong with our current situation. This is Iraq all over again.

"Maybe he did predict a huge insurgency, counter to the prevailing and oversaturated narrative of the Iraq war. Good on him. I wonder how many people questioned his patriotism at the time, as they did to so many others who said the same things."

None, because he had no axe to grind and no hidden agenda. It was his job to tell the President what he thought would happen and he did. Turns out he was very right. In fact, based on his estimations, I don't think he even thought there were WMDs to be found. That's the only way his scenario makes any real sense.

My point isn't that invading Iran is a good idea. It's that people end up on one side or another of an issue for very different reasons. Trying to lump them all together into one narrative under an us-vs.-them often ignores the more sane reasoning at the expense of hyperbole.

Cousin Pat from Georgia said...

You make some points I can respect.

But this is Iraq all over again. That's why this guy's opinion is important to the group of folks who want war with Iran.

"See, he was right about Iraq," they will say without noting that they were wrong. "He must be right about Iran," they continue, "just like we're right about Iran. TO WAR!"